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    El periódico británico The Observer publicó el sábado una artículo titulado “Los isleños comen pescado y papas fritas. ¿Cómo pueden pertenecer a la Argentina?”, en el que se utilizan "argumentaciones argentinas" a favor de los ingleses con relación a la soberanía de las Islas Malvinas.
    Más allá de algunos "jóvenes argentinos" citados, las principales figuras cuyos dichos se reproducen son Beatriz Sarlo y Jorge Lanata, quienes coinciden en criticar la postura argentina y así, de hecho, favorecer al colonialismo británico.
    Según el mencionado periódico, "el rival más directo a la antigua forma de pensar de línea dura en las Islas Malvinas es Jorge Lanata", para quien "'la política de Argentina hacia las Malvinas es una locura, errática y sin sentido', dijo Lanata a ese diario.
    Según el ahora empleado del Grupo Clarín, “el bloqueo de los puertos es más de la misma locura”, pues “la Argentina necesita integrar a las islas, no aislarlas. Tenemos que afrontar el hecho de que hemos perdido la guerra, Malvinas ya no es parte de Argentina… es parte de nuestra imaginación".
    De acuerdo al ya citado artículo, Lanata considera que "estamos tan cegados por los años de retórica que no podemos ver la realidad”. Además afirmó que "el reclamo de soberanía es una cortina de humo para la política de austeridad que deberá aplicar el gobierno argentino después de casi nueve años de crecimiento ininterrumpido". De hecho, dijo: “No es una coincidencia, esta es la primera vez en la historia que un gobierno peronista ha tenido que imponer medidas de austeridad, no saben cómo hacerlo”.
    Beatriz Sarlo, en tanto, una "ex marxista de 70 años de edad, que ahora escribe contundentes columnas para el diario conservador La Nación, se define valientemente como 'antimalvinera'", sostiene The Observer.
    "'La decisión de la dictadura fue apoyada por una mayoría amplia', escribió Sarlo en una columna reciente -reproduce el diario inglés-, en la que se afirma que no existía un tabú respecto del apoyo a la guerra por parte de la mayoría de los argentinos, incluidos los políticos civiles".
    "'No se puede culpar de todo a los militares. La sociedad argentina tiene que revisar su historia de entusiasmo frenético'”, dijo Sarlo según el artículo aparecido el sábAdo en el mencionado diario británico.


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    aca adjunto la foto donde sale el articulo en el diario brtanico!!!
    espero que no haya gente que piense como este señor si el titulo le cabe, yo era un bebe en el tiempo de la guerra de malvinas pero la siento tan mia como cualquiera de los de 40 millones de argentinos que creemos que malvinas es algo incuestionable, bueno menos 2 que son estos personajes lamentables..
    !!!

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    Seguramente le habran pagado mucha plata los ingleses como lo fue la nefasta pelicula de iluminados por el fuego Financiada por los mismos ingleses y desmalvinisadora
    un asco

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    aca adjunto la foto donde sale el articulo en el diario brtanico!!!
    espero que no haya gente que piense como este señor si el titulo le cabe, yo era un bebe en el tiempo de la guerra de malvinas pero la siento tan mia como cualquiera de los de 40 millones de argentinos que creemos que malvinas es algo incuestionable, bueno menos 2 que son estos personajes lamentables..
    !!!
    Este señor Lanata pudo mantener la fachada de periodista serio e inteligente por un tiempo, pero hace unos años que perdió completamente el rumbo y ya la mayoría de la gente no lo tiene en cuenta. Un verdadero impresentable.

    Lo de Sarlo me parece que es más un deterioro mental propio de la edad, por las cosas que dice ahora y las que decía hace 30 años se puede deducir que está gagá.

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    Disculpen los administradores, pero no aguanto..., no aguanto LANATA la de tu ..., gracias por permitir este modesto desahogo..., ahora, pregunto...¿será cierto? por ahí dijo algo que se lo sacaron de contexto, a saber...¿alguien tiene el enlace del medio donde se expresó?
    Última edición por RHEX; 30/01/2012 a las 18:37

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    Esta es la nota de la cual se habla. Con su imagen original:

    'The Falklanders eat fish and chips. How can they belong to Argentina?'

    A growing number of young Argentinians are questioning their nation's claim to the disputed islands



    While some Argentinians still claim the Falklands for their own, increasing numbers are daring to say they should remain British. Photograph: Sergio Goya/AFP/Getty

    Laura Sánchez never met her great uncle, Ramón Acosta. But she is proud to point out that he was a war hero. Acosta rescued three soldiers from his crashed helicopter after it was shot down in flames 30 years ago by a British Sea Harrier jet during the Falklands War. "Right now we are surrounded and it will be whatever God and the Virgin want it to be," Acosta wrote in his last letter home. He went missing in action shortly afterwards on 11 June 1982, somewhere near Mount Kent on East Falkland, just three days before the war ended. In his native town of Jesús María in the province of Córdoba, there is a street that bears his name.

    So you would expect 29-year-old Sánchez to be a staunch Malvinera, which is what diehard supporters of Argentina's claim on the Falklands, known to Argentinians as Las Malvinas, call themselves. But you'd be wrong.

    "When I was a kid I couldn't figure out why he died," says Sánchez. "And I couldn't understand why at school they taught us that the people over there are Argentinians."

    Sánchez became even more perplexed after her grandfather returned from a visit to his brother's symbolic resting place in the Argentinian cemetery on the Falklands, where 237 Argentinian war casualties are buried, close to the location of the Battle of Goose Green. "My grandfather came back feeling like he'd been to Britain; it wasn't like Argentina at all."

    Sánchez, a fan of Alanis Morissette and Lord of the Rings and a bespectacled student of history at the University of Buenos Aires, represents a small but growing number of youngsters born after the 1982 war who are questioning the old slogan "Las Malvinas son Argentinas" ("The Malvinas are Argentinian"), emblazoned on the placards that greet foreigners arriving at practically every airport and border crossing.

    "Sometimes, I'm afraid of saying it, I'm afraid of how people will react, but why are they Argentinian? And why, for that matter, should they be British? Don't they have the right to self-determination?" she asks.

    That kind of talk can get you into serious trouble, not to mention angry dinner-table arguments in Argentina today. On Wednesday, angry protesters from the leftwing Peronist "Movimiento Evita" group gathered to yell "British out of Malvinas" at the doorstep of the British ambassador's residence in Buenos Aires. The stately mansion, perched atop one of the few low hills on this otherwise flat capital, in an exclusive few blocks of prime real estate known appropriately enough as "La Isla" ("The Island"), had grown unaccustomed to these once periodic outbursts of patriotic fervour.

    But this new march came on the crest of a worrying escalation of verbal crossfire and political point-scoring between Argentina and Great Britain as the 30th anniversary of the Argentine invasion of the islands approaches in April. In recent months, the government of President Cristina Fernández, herself an avowed Malvinera, has made the sovereignty question again a main policy objective.

    In an unprecedented step, Argentina managed to rally the support of its closest South American neighbours including Brazil, a new world heavyweight. The Mercosur trading group has put in place a co-ordinated ban against ships flying the Falklands flag docking at their ports.

    By threatening at the same time to ban the weekly planes of the Chilean airline LAN from flying through Argentine airspace on the only commercial flight that reaches Port Stanley, Argentina has taken a bold step towards pressing its sovereignty claim by isolating the islands from the South American mainland.

    But among young people in a country where voters aged between 20 and 35 make up 25% of the population, there is distinct evidence that the cause of the Malvinas is not a top priority.

    The School of Philosophy and Literature at the University of Buenos Aires is a dilapidated old building in the middle-class neighbourhood of Caballito that used to be a cigarette factory. It is a hive of political activity that sets the tone for much of the student activism in Argentina today. Its old walls are adorned with banners and posters of Che Guevara, Eva Perón, Fidel Castro, even Mao Zedong.

    "I don't know if it makes sense to reclaim a territory whose population doesn't want that," says Nicolás Ferraro, a student who was born in 1981, just a few months before the invasion. "Even if we were able to regain sovereignty, the islands should have at least a strong autonomy."

    A fellow student, Catalina Flexer, dismisses the current friction between the two countries as political fireworks. "It's only the government talking about the Malvinas. People are thinking about other things. The whole business about denying access to South American ports to ships flying the Falklands flag is a big lie," Flexer says. "Everybody knows that all they have to do is change the Falklands flag for a British flag and then they can sail into port without any problem."

    But it is young Argentinians who have been to the islands themselves who best embody the dramatic turnabout. The eye-opener for 30-year-old documentary producer Tamara Florin was a trip to the Falklands to film a television special about life on the islands. The documentary, So Near, So Far, was the first to offer an alternative to the official story about the Malvinas to the Argentinian public.

    "It changed me completely to be there," says Florin. "I was born in 1981, so I have no memories of the war."

    As soon as Florin landed, she realised all her preconceptions were mistaken. "There is nothing Argentinian about the islands. The people eat fish and chips, they have dinner at 6pm, they're British. The only thing that is remotely Argentinian is maybe the landscape that resembles barren Patagonia and the thousands of still active landmines that the Argentinian forces left behind."

    Florin says she tries not to express her new point of view among fellow Argentinians. "I know it is totally politically incorrect to speak this way in Argentina and when I do, even among people my age, the response can be stony silence."

    The most outspoken opponent of old hardline thinking on the Malvinas is Jorge Lanata, a 51-year-old chain-smoking journalist famous for confronting sacred cows and uncovering corruption. He was the presenter of the documentary that Florin produced five years ago.

    "Argentina's policy towards the Malvinas is insane, erratic, senseless," says Lanata. Each morning you can find him sipping coffee and smoking at a corner cafe on the wide, tree-lined Libertador avenue that cuts through the city's well-to-do north side.

    "Blocking the ports is more of the same madness," Lanata says. "Argentina needs to integrate the islands, not isolate them. We have to face up to the fact that we lost the war. Malvinas is not part of Argentina; it is part of our imagination. We're so blinded by years of rhetoric that we can't see reality."

    Lanata believes that the revival of the sovereignty claim is a smokescreen for the belt-tightening the government is having to enforce after almost nine years of uninterrupted growth. "It's no coincidence, this is the first time in history that a Peronist government has had to put austerity measures in place – they don't know how to do it."

    Sánchez agrees: "I fear that all this is just nationalist propaganda to cover up real problems like poverty."

    Another highly respected thinker, Beatriz Sarlo, holds similar views. This 70-year-old former Marxist who now pens hard-hitting columns for the conservative daily La Nación bravely defines herself as an "anti-Malvinera". She disagrees with the government line that the 1982 invasion was an isolated incident masterminded by a few crazy generals.

    "The dictatorship's move was supported by wide majorities," Sarlo wrote in a recent column, in which she claimed there was a taboo regarding real support for the war among the majority of Argentinians, including its civilian politicians. "It can't all be blamed on the military. Argentinian society needs to review its history of frenetic enthusiasm."

    Although it is certainly far-fetched to believe the Argentinian government would ever seriously consider Falklanders as equal negotiators, it is clear that every day an increasing number of young Argentinians would not consider it unreasonable.

    "How can it be that nobody had ever stopped to consider the wishes of the people on the islands?" asks Florin. "They're not Argentinians. They're British.

    "In Argentina, nobody ever talks about who they really are and how they might feel."

    'The Falklanders eat fish and chips. How can they belong to Argentina?' | UK news | The Observer

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    Gordo apatrida, volcaste!!!

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    Gordo vende patria , fabulador , ignorante , despreciable y repugnante.

    Me olvidaba tambien sos un mercenario.

    Si esto es verdad tendrian que darlo a conocer y terminarlo de enterrar , terrible alcahuete !

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    Por eso decía en otro post que Wanklord es de estas pampas....

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    Hoy estaba Lanata en el programa de CHICHE GELBLUNG sacaba chapa de pulenta contando que es de Sarandí y que fue pobre como pocos...hijo de un mal sábalo, que tipo tan imbécil, ya me parecía a mi que era un pedante engreído, nos visitó en Bahía Blanca una vez, soberbio, en esos días fungía de defensor de los derechos humanos..., se creía paladín de las causas nobles..., como se le cae la careta a algunos mercenarios, como la vieja Sarlo, antes zurda ahora pro clarín..., con todo respeto por los que gustan de Clarín, lo que digo es que hay ciertas cosas que uno no puede tranzar por más ideologizado que se esté...
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